';And the two who are guilty of fornication, punish them both. But if they repent and mend their ways, leave them; surely God is All-Relenting, Most-Merciful.
Nur {24:2}
';The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: LET NOT THEIR COMPASSION move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.';
Does the second verse abrogate the first one because it seems that this (24:2) is the verse that Saudi and Iran follow all the time?Qur'an question: Is it true that this verse regarding the punishment for fornication has been abrogated...?
This is a common allegation but there is no abrogation here. The verses in my explanation are 1 number off because the Qur'an I cited counts ';bismillah'; as the first ayat.
It is claimed that the punishment for adultery was life imprisonment (4:17), and was abrogated by (24:3). As is the case with many of these baseless objections, the problem arises from lack of insight into Arabic grammar and word usage. In (4:16) fahisha (lewdness) derivative fahshi, and thus fahisha itself, holds the meanings of anything that is foul, evil, immodest, lewd, excessively foul, ugly, obscene; it also can mean adultery or fornication. Thus the word fahisha can mean a number of things other than adultery, as is also exemplified in the Holy Quran (33:31, 65:2, 7:29) where none of these instances of the usage of fahisha mean adultery.
Also, this and the following verse refer to offences for which no had Sharia (punishment definitely fixed by the Law) has been prescribed. The context of (4:17) is also different than that of (24:3) – where verses prior to (4:17) speaks of laws of inheritance and to not disobey the Messenger of Allah (saw) and verses after speak of punishment of fahisha, Chapter 24 opens with a detailed discussion of adultery, and how dear chastity is to successful and harmonious society.
Moreover, the word used in (24:3) is Al zani, which categorically means adultery or fornication, but it holds the meaning of one addicted to such filthy practices. The verse has used the words Al zani %26amp; Al zaniyyat, as opposed to zani %26amp; zaniyya, denoting a special class of these filthy people who are hardened or habitual culprits, and have lost all sense or shame and do it even openly.
So the evil action spoken of in (4:17) is different than that of (24:3) – hence the different possibilities of punishment. Therefore, there is no abrogation or contradiction here.
However, even if one was to insist that (4:17) means adultery, there still is no abrogation for Allah says at the end of the verse, “…or Allah opens for them some other way” – now if they were guilty of adultery, the only way open for them would be to succumb to the punishment listed in (24:3) and so (24:3) would serve as an extension of (4:17) in that particular circumstance.
In short, there is no abrogation of these verses because studying the arabic we learn that two different circumstances are being discussed.
EDIT:
@Asker - Based on the fact that two different situations are being discussed, 4:16 does allow for the option of forgiveness yes.
love for all, hatred for noneQur'an question: Is it true that this verse regarding the punishment for fornication has been abrogated...?
The simple answer to your question is ';No';.
The verse 24:2, is the punishment for fornication / adultery by hetrosexuals.
The verse 4:16, uses a SPECIFIC word of ';Couples';, which can mean both ';male couples'; and ';Female couples';. Therefore the verse 4:16 is the MINIMUM punishment for ';Homosexuals'; e.g. gays and lesbians.
It doesn't matter anyway. Four reputable eye witnesses is required, which is impossible to find.
I find the verse vague, contradictory and confusing.
By the way, you as a Christian (who believes the OT is the word of God) have little business questioning Islam.
Hah? You questioned Islam the other day. Whatever. I'm not Christian.
Alright, altight! You're a Muslim when you say you are. Maybe I misunderstood what you said in that question.
There's a third punishment for the same crime, which is to stone the married adulterer to death. It's not in the quran but it's sunnah according to all sunni and shia madhabs. So now you have a third punishment to try reconcile with the two you already mentioned.
Well saudi stone them to death, Iran they lash them.
no, i don't think so
selv takk:)
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